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Whats the wisdom on the type of grease to use on your bike - Lithium  grease vs Ali waterproof grease vs copper grease vs Molly.....

 

My unde4rstandign is that some are better for high speed bearing use, and some better for slow sheering forces...

 

So what the wisdom on the type to use in general on the bike - eg - Axle, Suspension pivit's, swingarm bolt - i'm no so sure on bearings, as i cant see how you can get access to re-pack without removing them (and destroying).

 

Got to take my swingarm off again and was going to treat the poor bike to a good greasing :-)

 

Thanks

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ste7ios

All the necessary lubricants and more according to the service manual:

 

Liquid sealant
(Three Bond 1207B or equivalent)

Oil pan mating surface

See page 9-12

Right crankcase cover mating surface

See page 11-6

CKP sensor wire grommet

Linear solenoid valve wire grommet (NC700XD/SD)

Alternator wire grommet

Alternator cover mating surface

See page 13-7

Crankcase mating surface

See page 14-28

 

Molybdenum oil solution (a mixture of 1/2 engine oil and 1/2 molybdenum disulfide grease)

Rocker arm sliding surface

Rocker arm shaft outer surface

Camshaft lobes, journals and thrust surface

Valve stem (valve guide sliding surface) and stem end

Clutch outer guide sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Starter reduction and idle gear shaft outer surface

M3/4, C5, C6 gear (shift fork grooves) (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

M3, M4, C5, C6 gear (shift fork grooves) (NC700XD/SD)

Each transmission spline collar outer surface

Each transmission collar inner and outer surface

Shift fork guide area and guide pin

Shift fork shaft outer surface

Main journal bearing sliding surface

Crankpin bearing sliding surface

Crankshaft thrust surface

 

Engine oil

Oil filter cartridge O-ring

Oil filler cap O-ring

Timing hole cap O-ring

Crankshaft hole cap O-ring

Clutch oil filter cover O-ring (NC700XD/SD)

Oil joint pipe O-ring (NC700XD/SD)

Clutch oil guide collar O-rings (NC700XD/SD)

Oil strainer seal ring

Starter motor O-ring

Injector seal ring

Water pump large O-ring

Valve stem seal

Clutch disc entire surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Clutch lifter rod A sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Clutch lifter rod B sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Mainshaft seal rings (NC700XD/SD)

Starter one-way clutch

Piston sliding surface

Piston ring sliding surface

Piston pin outer surface

Each bearing

Each gear teeth and rotating surface

Each O-ring (except water sealing)

Other rotating area and sliding surface

 

Multi-purpose grease

Each oil seal lips

 

Locking agent

CKP sensor mounting bolt threads

Coating width; 6.5 ± 1.0 mm (0.26 ± 0.04 in) except 2.0 ± 1.0 mm (0.08 ± 0.04 in) from tip

 

Templex N3 grease (ESSO)

Electric shift reduction gear teeth and journal (NC700XD/SD)

2 – 4 g (0.07 – 0.14 oz)

 

Urea based multi-purpose grease with extreme pressure
(example: Kyodo Yushi EXCELITE EP2, Shell Stamina EP2 or equivalent)

Steering head bearing sliding surface

3 – 5 g (0.1 – 0.2 oz)

Steering head dust seal lips

 

Molybdenum disulfide grease

Shock arm needle bearings

Rear shock absorber needle bearing

Rear shock absorber dust seal lips

Swingarm pivot needle bearings

Swingarm pivot ball bearing

Swingarm pivot dust seal lips

 

Multi-purpose grease

Seat catch hook sliding area

Luggage box lid catch sliding area

Gearshift pedal pivot and dust seal lips (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Gearshift pedal tie-rod ball joint area (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Throttle cable end and throttle grip pipe flange groove

Front wheel dust seal lips

Rear wheel hub O-ring

Rear wheel dust seal lips

Rear axle sliding surface

Swingarm pivot sliding surface

Rear brake pedal pivot sliding area

Parking brake ratchet A, B teeth and sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Parking brake lever, washer sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Parking brake switch spring sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Main step sliding area

Pillion step sliding area

 

Cable lubricant

Seat lock cable inside

Luggage box lid lock cable inside

Throttle cable A, B inside

Clutch cable inside (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Parking brake cable inside (NC700XD/SD)

 

Honda bond A, Cemedine #540 or equivalent

Handlebar grip rubber inside

Brake pad retainer mating surface

 

Silicone grease

Front brake lever sliding surface and lever-to-master piston contacting area

0.10 g (0.004 oz)

Rear brake master cylinder push rod sliding surface and boot fitting area

Brake caliper dust seals

Rear brake caliper boot inside

0.4 g (0.01 oz)

Brake pad pin stopper ring

Parking brake shaft outer surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake adjuster bolt threads and caliper piston sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake shaft boot lips (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake caliper bracket pin sliding surface (NC700XD/ SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake caliper sleeve sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

 

DOT 4 brake fluid

Brake caliper piston and piston seals

Brake master piston and cups

Brake master cylinder inside

Rear master cylinder reservoir hose joint O-ring

 

Fork fluid

Fork cap O-ring

Fork dust seal and oil seal lips

 

Drive chain lubricant designed specifically for use with O-ring chains, #80 – 90 gear oil or equivalent

Drive chain whole surface

 

 

And the suggestions of Molykote (for Greece. Other equivalent products may be available in your country):

 

Concerning your questions, please see below for our product recommendations:

 

1. Multi-purpose grease (lithium based multi-purpose grease NLGI #2 or equivalent)

[] Multilub

 

2. Molybdenum disulfide grease (containing more than 3% molybdenum disulfide, NLGI #2 or equivalent). As an example proposes Molykote BR-2 plus which is available in Greece.

 

3. Molybdenum disulfide paste (containing more than 40% molybdenum disulfide, NLGI #2 or equivalent). Proposes Molykote G-n paste but is not available in Greece.

[] G-Rapid plus

 

4. Silicone grease for: Front brake lever sliding surface and lever-to-master piston contacting area, Rear brake master cylinder push rod sliding surface and boot fitting area, Brake caliper dust seals, Rear brake caliper boot inside, Brake pad pin stopper ring, Parking brake shaft outer surface (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake adjuster bolt threads and caliper piston sliding surface (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake shaft boot lips (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake caliper bracket pin sliding surface (NC700XD/ SD), Parking brake caliper sleeve sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

[] 33 medium, G-807

 

5. Cable lubricant for throttle cables, seat lock cable, parking brake cable, luggage box cable

[] 33 light

 

6. Lock lubricant

[] Omnigliss

 

7. Templex N3 grease (ESSO) for electric shift reduction gear teeth and journal

[] high temp: G-2008 , temp below 100°C 165 LT GREASE

 

8. Urea based multi-purpose grease with extreme pressure (example: Kyodo Yushi EXCELITE EP2, Shell Stamina EP2 or equivalent) for steering head's bearing sliding surface & dust seal lips.

[] No direct alternative,

 

 

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Guest machinman
25 minutes ago, ste7ios said:

All the necessary lubricants and more according to the service manual:

 

Liquid sealant
(Three Bond 1207B or equivalent)

Oil pan mating surface

See page 9-12

Right crankcase cover mating surface

See page 11-6

CKP sensor wire grommet

Linear solenoid valve wire grommet (NC700XD/SD)

Alternator wire grommet

Alternator cover mating surface

See page 13-7

Crankcase mating surface

See page 14-28

 

Molybdenum oil solution (a mixture of 1/2 engine oil and 1/2 molybdenum disulfide grease)

Rocker arm sliding surface

Rocker arm shaft outer surface

Camshaft lobes, journals and thrust surface

Valve stem (valve guide sliding surface) and stem end

Clutch outer guide sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Starter reduction and idle gear shaft outer surface

M3/4, C5, C6 gear (shift fork grooves) (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

M3, M4, C5, C6 gear (shift fork grooves) (NC700XD/SD)

Each transmission spline collar outer surface

Each transmission collar inner and outer surface

Shift fork guide area and guide pin

Shift fork shaft outer surface

Main journal bearing sliding surface

Crankpin bearing sliding surface

Crankshaft thrust surface

 

Engine oil

Oil filter cartridge O-ring

Oil filler cap O-ring

Timing hole cap O-ring

Crankshaft hole cap O-ring

Clutch oil filter cover O-ring (NC700XD/SD)

Oil joint pipe O-ring (NC700XD/SD)

Clutch oil guide collar O-rings (NC700XD/SD)

Oil strainer seal ring

Starter motor O-ring

Injector seal ring

Water pump large O-ring

Valve stem seal

Clutch disc entire surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Clutch lifter rod A sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Clutch lifter rod B sliding surface (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Mainshaft seal rings (NC700XD/SD)

Starter one-way clutch

Piston sliding surface

Piston ring sliding surface

Piston pin outer surface

Each bearing

Each gear teeth and rotating surface

Each O-ring (except water sealing)

Other rotating area and sliding surface

 

Multi-purpose grease

Each oil seal lips

 

Locking agent

CKP sensor mounting bolt threads

Coating width; 6.5 ± 1.0 mm (0.26 ± 0.04 in) except 2.0 ± 1.0 mm (0.08 ± 0.04 in) from tip

 

Templex N3 grease (ESSO)

Electric shift reduction gear teeth and journal (NC700XD/SD)

2 – 4 g (0.07 – 0.14 oz)

 

Urea based multi-purpose grease with extreme pressure
(example: Kyodo Yushi EXCELITE EP2, Shell Stamina EP2 or equivalent)

Steering head bearing sliding surface

3 – 5 g (0.1 – 0.2 oz)

Steering head dust seal lips

 

Molybdenum disulfide grease

Shock arm needle bearings

Rear shock absorber needle bearing

Rear shock absorber dust seal lips

Swingarm pivot needle bearings

Swingarm pivot ball bearing

Swingarm pivot dust seal lips

 

Multi-purpose grease

Seat catch hook sliding area

Luggage box lid catch sliding area

Gearshift pedal pivot and dust seal lips (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Gearshift pedal tie-rod ball joint area (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Throttle cable end and throttle grip pipe flange groove

Front wheel dust seal lips

Rear wheel hub O-ring

Rear wheel dust seal lips

Rear axle sliding surface

Swingarm pivot sliding surface

Rear brake pedal pivot sliding area

Parking brake ratchet A, B teeth and sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Parking brake lever, washer sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Parking brake switch spring sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

Main step sliding area

Pillion step sliding area

 

Cable lubricant

Seat lock cable inside

Luggage box lid lock cable inside

Throttle cable A, B inside

Clutch cable inside (NC700X/XA/S/SA)

Parking brake cable inside (NC700XD/SD)

 

Honda bond A, Cemedine #540 or equivalent

Handlebar grip rubber inside

Brake pad retainer mating surface

 

Silicone grease

Front brake lever sliding surface and lever-to-master piston contacting area

0.10 g (0.004 oz)

Rear brake master cylinder push rod sliding surface and boot fitting area

Brake caliper dust seals

Rear brake caliper boot inside

0.4 g (0.01 oz)

Brake pad pin stopper ring

Parking brake shaft outer surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake adjuster bolt threads and caliper piston sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake shaft boot lips (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake caliper bracket pin sliding surface (NC700XD/ SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

Parking brake caliper sleeve sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

0.4 g (0.01 oz) minimum

 

DOT 4 brake fluid

Brake caliper piston and piston seals

Brake master piston and cups

Brake master cylinder inside

Rear master cylinder reservoir hose joint O-ring

 

Fork fluid

Fork cap O-ring

Fork dust seal and oil seal lips

 

Drive chain lubricant designed specifically for use with O-ring chains, #80 – 90 gear oil or equivalent

Drive chain whole surface

 

 

And the suggestions of Molykote (for Greece. Other equivalent products may be available in your country):

 

Concerning your questions, please see below for our product recommendations:

 

1. Multi-purpose grease (lithium based multi-purpose grease NLGI #2 or equivalent)

[] Multilub

 

2. Molybdenum disulfide grease (containing more than 3% molybdenum disulfide, NLGI #2 or equivalent). As an example proposes Molykote BR-2 plus which is available in Greece.

 

3. Molybdenum disulfide paste (containing more than 40% molybdenum disulfide, NLGI #2 or equivalent). Proposes Molykote G-n paste but is not available in Greece.

[] G-Rapid plus

 

4. Silicone grease for: Front brake lever sliding surface and lever-to-master piston contacting area, Rear brake master cylinder push rod sliding surface and boot fitting area, Brake caliper dust seals, Rear brake caliper boot inside, Brake pad pin stopper ring, Parking brake shaft outer surface (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake adjuster bolt threads and caliper piston sliding surface (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake shaft boot lips (NC700XD/SD), Parking brake caliper bracket pin sliding surface (NC700XD/ SD), Parking brake caliper sleeve sliding surface (NC700XD/SD)

[] 33 medium, G-807

 

5. Cable lubricant for throttle cables, seat lock cable, parking brake cable, luggage box cable

[] 33 light

 

6. Lock lubricant

[] Omnigliss

 

7. Templex N3 grease (ESSO) for electric shift reduction gear teeth and journal

[] high temp: G-2008 , temp below 100°C 165 LT GREASE

 

8. Urea based multi-purpose grease with extreme pressure (example: Kyodo Yushi EXCELITE EP2, Shell Stamina EP2 or equivalent) for steering head's bearing sliding surface & dust seal lips.

[] No direct alternative,

 

 

That should answer the question 😁

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embee

Comprehensive list from Stelios there, however ..........................................

 

In simple terms, for rolling element bearings (ball/needle roller etc) I personally use Castrol "High Temperature Grease" in most cases, which is commercially widely available, a lithium based general purpose grease which as far as I can tell has superseded the old Castrol LM and has better high temperature properties, and quite similar to the "Templex N3" listed above. It has a working temperature up to 140C and a drop point of 260C (where it basically runs off surfaces) so should be OK in the DCT shift gear reduction case for example (bolted on the engine so runs at engine temperature, 100C typically to 120C max).

 

One item which I don't agree with (but who am I to say?) is the recommendation to use a moly containing grease in the suspension bearings. These are needle rollers and it is not normal industry practice to use a moly grease on such items. Moly is intended as a solid lubricant where there is sliding between surfaces, especially low amplitude reversing such as plain bushes in old Brit bike swingarms for example. My understanding is that it can promote skidding of rolling elements, which is undesirable. You make your own judgement on that. Moly is useful between the dogbones and shock eye for example where the surfaces slide if they touch.

 

Where brake systems are involved, caliper pistons etc, never use a mineral based grease or oil, use ONLY "red rubber grease" or some silicone based greases. The rubbers used for brake fluid (EPDM usually I believe) do not like mineral oils and can react badly. This also applies for rubbers used in contact with glycol coolant, which are usually similar to brake fluid seal materials. Coolant hoses usually have an outer layer of mineral oil resistant rubber, the inner lining being EPDM etc.

 

Copper grease is NOT a lubricant, it is an anti-seize used to avoid studs/bolts seizing due to temperature or corrosion. Don't use it on moving parts.

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suffolk58

Yes Stelios should know, he lives in Greece. (I'll get my coat).

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rjp996

thanks for all this - a lot to go through...

 

embee - from the sound of it for greasing the wheel axles and the swingarm pivot bolts etc (eg not the bearings themselves) - you use Castrol HT grease.

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ste7ios

I only know about good olive oil! :D

 

Every manufacturer has a little different recipe...

 

If I remember correctly Yamaha uses a lithium soap and not MoS2 grease on bearings.

 

BMW uses much more lubricants than any Japanese manufacturer... Honda has this recipe for many many years...

 

 

That's why I asked Dow Corning  / Molykote directly about what lubricants I need (and of course what's available in my country).

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embee
15 hours ago, rjp996 said:

thanks for all this - a lot to go through...

 

embee - from the sound of it for greasing the wheel axles and the swingarm pivot bolts etc (eg not the bearings themselves) - you use Castrol HT grease.

The wheel and swingarm spindles can have anything you like applied really, it's purely for ease of fitment and to stop corrosion. There is nothing running directly on the spindles as a bearing, they are just big bolts.

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