Tonto 82 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Had a search but couldnt find same fault and am hoping someone can enlighten me with this error I was on a slip road going onto M42 and saw a caravan running level with me so quick twist of the throttle to get in front and thats when it all got peculiar , bike changed down gear and then hit the rev limiter. Confused the hell out of me trying to figure out what was going on and keeping an eye on all the HGVs hurtling round me . Bike would only do 55 and was hitting the limiter. I finally noticed that no gear was being displayed and no D or S . Came off the motorway and stopped and switched off . Went and had a coffee . came back and started it Voila all ok . As I still had 140 miles to get home chanced it and carefully carried on . After a while I started riding properly again and no problems at all . Any Ideas would be welcome Link to post
Exceledsteve 2,191 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 You did the right thing... Turn it off and back on again. Classic high tech fix. Link to post
kayz1 2,928 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Big gloves and the right finger in the wrong place at the right time, Bingo: manual mode... Lyn. 2 Link to post
Guest bonekicker Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 All the 00000's and 11111's got confused for a split second--needed a reboot to sort itself out Link to post
Mikdent 4,070 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 6 hours ago, kayz1 said: Big gloves and the right finger in the wrong place at the right time, Bingo: manual mode... Lyn. That was my first thought until I read that no gear was displayed. 1 Link to post
Tonto 82 Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 If it was my fault I wouldn't have posted here. I am not into self flagellation. 1 Link to post
Andy m 23,241 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Doesn't the display go blank when one of the sensors doesn't read? I'd be following the loom and getting to work with the silicone spray. No point doing more if its intermittant, people with the diagnostic tool will only tell you its working OK now (unless you are near the end of warranty, in which case get it logged). Enfields are rather easier if more frequent to diagnose. The footpeg came loose today. I put locktite on and tightened it up. Andy 2 Link to post
commuter 262 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 11:17, Andy m said: Doesn't the display go blank when one of the sensors doesn't read? I'd be following the loom and getting to work with the silicone spray. No point doing more if its intermittant, people with the diagnostic tool will only tell you its working OK now (unless you are near the end of warranty, in which case get it logged). Enfields are rather easier if more frequent to diagnose. The footpeg came loose today. I put locktite on and tightened it up. Andy I'll bet myself a fiver that you didn't plug the Enfield into a computer to diagnose the loose footrest. I suspect that modern machinery does have the ability to store fault diagnostic information, however, the majority of humans just plug the Box Of Tricks in and pronounce there to be "no fault showing that'll be x pounds please!" A minority actually know how to interrogate the software to enable them to derive an accurate diagnosis as to what happened. How skilled do you think the local dealer is? 1 Link to post
embee 7,288 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, commuter said: How skilled do you think the local dealer is? Always be wary of what the "highly trained experts" tell you. A friend recently had a problem with a Merc diesel, engine light on and limping. After hearing the description I concluded it could be anything causing it go into limp, and without diagnostics I was completely guessing so they took it to a local "German car specialist" where they've had servicing done (perfectly competently). After a while of plugging stuff in and head scratching they advised it needed a new turbo, at ££££. Ermmm, no. Relented and took it to Merc dealership, I went along to explain faults etc. They were extremely professional, making notes etc. An hour later they reported it was as split hose, it did cost north of £200 including the diagnostic time but the car is fixed and no new turbo. It does make you wonder whether the first place knew what the problem was and were being creative (fit a new hose and charge for a new turbo?) or genuinely didn't know what it was. 4 Link to post
Guest bonekicker Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I would hate not knowing enough about my bike or car to walk into the very same traps as most motorists do nowadays--how easy is it to mislead you into spending a lot of money--on phantom diagnosis--one of my neighbors as gone from a struggling business--to big-time--basically by just investing in diagnostic equipment-- the number of so-called faulty turbos this machine finds is totally amazing--- stay with garages that offer good advice/honest/reasonable costs/no fancy workshops--ask here for advice on who to go to and who not to. Link to post
Andy m 23,241 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I train people on brake diagnostics. The fundemental problem is that we have left a generation of mechanics terrified of breaking computers (that's the thing the boss hides behind and uses to record his golf handicap) and then raised a generation of potential toilet cleaners to technician status (the bright lads all go to University so they can work in call centres) and they incapable of thinking the problem through and/or unwilling to do anything the computer doesn't tell them. The solution is going to be remote diagnosis. The technician is just a cheap robot to move the web cam so the person reading the script in India can see what they need to. It exists now and is only held back by the lack of wireless in workshops (the boss assumes the internet is only for facebook). Give it ten years while the last few mechanics retire. The Enfield has a blink code which is bliss. Andy Link to post
Rocker66 34,077 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Andy m said: I train people on brake diagnostics. The fundemental problem is that we have left a generation of mechanics terrified of breaking computers (that's the thing the boss hides behind and uses to record his golf handicap) and then raised a generation of potential toilet cleaners to technician status (the bright lads all go to University so they can work in call centres) and they incapable of thinking the problem through and/or unwilling to do anything the computer doesn't tell them. The solution is going to be remote diagnosis. The technician is just a cheap robot to move the web cam so the person reading the script in India can see what they need to. It exists now and is only held back by the lack of wireless in workshops (the boss assumes the internet is only for facebook). Give it ten years while the last few mechanics retire. The Enfield has a blink code which is bliss. Andy Then can you explain why the young trainee mechanics at my local dealer had to go to college certain days in the week just as appretacies have always done and also to the Honda training school. I can assure you he is a long way from being an upgraded toilet cleaner. I’m sure that this is true of trainees at many dealers. Link to post
DaveM59 1,603 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) The subtle difference is that a proper mechanic learns on every job and can use this information to fault find a new problem. Seen it before, and that info helps again. Technicians use a computer that can tell them what it can find, if the fault still exists. They don't remember previous similar problems because they don't have to, they just know how to connect a computer and run a program and when the result isn't cut and dried, they are lost. They probably aren't allowed to think on their feet and spend time actually looking around. Proper skilled mechanics with a huge bank of knowledge are a dying breed. Technicians are the future...we are all doomed!! Edited October 17, 2017 by DaveM59 typo Link to post
makman 975 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 00:49, kayz1 said: Big gloves and the right finger in the wrong place at the right time, Bingo: manual mode... Lyn. Yes. I'd say this. I've done the same a couple of times and have managed to rectify it quickly by jabbing the correct button for D/S to engage again. Link to post
Andy m 23,241 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Rocker66 said: Then can you explain why the young trainee mechanics at my local dealer had to go to college certain days in the week just as appretacies have always done and also to the Honda training school. I can assure you he is a long way from being an upgraded toilet cleaner. I’m sure that this is true of trainees at many dealers. At college they are not pushed and are not tested on actually understanding systems. If they fail it must be the fault of the teacher so the solution is to make the course a box ticking exercise designed to keep them off the unemployment statistics. I witnessed an argument between a workshop foreman and a 20-something technician. The younger man viewed it has not his job to change oil as it was carcenogenic. College had shown them a video, but they had never been allowed to pick up a spanner. You can call them apprentice mechanics or pre-graduate vehicle technicians, if they are told never to touch a knife (OK, that was a temp in the warehouse) or spanner they are useless. Businesses forced to send them to college expect them to learn something and often adopt the "easier to do it yourself approach" when they don't. My internal sales guys get the same calls time and time again: 1. The computer won't connect so they can't fault find : answer, its the power supply, get out a multimeter. 2. The computer says there are no faults: answer, its something difficult to detect electrically like a kinked pipe, use a torch and go look. 3. They've changed part X three times and the fault is still there: answer, its not that part, look at what is connected to it. You do get exceptions, young people actually interested, but too many will be happy to be the robots controlled by the call centre script readers. The few I know are all going against schools career advice. Apparently doing Geography and Sociology at Scunthorpe University is the thing if you like playing with electronics but can only get a C at GCSE Design Studies because your picture of a new McDonalds logo reflected how boring you found it! Another sausage machine crewed by staff too frightened not to give the scripted answer. If you know bright youngsters encourage them to learn proper mechanicing. Yesterday I drove two hours plugged in an ABS having blown on the plug and drove back. If that had been a service job on a fleet you could have charged over £750 because the local idiots wanted to change a £1200 ECU. I would never set up a business as fleets don't pay their bills, but wages reflect what they can charge and the talent pool is getting smaller. Andy 2 Link to post
Rocker66 34,077 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Andy m said: At college they are not pushed and are not tested on actually understanding systems. If they fail it must be the fault of the teacher so the solution is to make the course a box ticking exercise designed to keep them off the unemployment statistics. I witnessed an argument between a workshop foreman and a 20-something technician. The younger man viewed it has not his job to change oil as it was carcenogenic. College had shown them a video, but they had never been allowed to pick up a spanner. You can call them apprentice mechanics or pre-graduate vehicle technicians, if they are told never to touch a knife (OK, that was a temp in the warehouse) or spanner they are useless. Businesses forced to send them to college expect them to learn something and often adopt the "easier to do it yourself approach" when they don't. My internal sales guys get the same calls time and time again: 1. The computer won't connect so they can't fault find : answer, its the power supply, get out a multimeter. 2. The computer says there are no faults: answer, its something difficult to detect electrically like a kinked pipe, use a torch and go look. 3. They've changed part X three times and the fault is still there: answer, its not that part, look at what is connected to it. You do get exceptions, young people actually interested, but too many will be happy to be the robots controlled by the call centre script readers. The few I know are all going against schools career advice. Apparently doing Geography and Sociology at Scunthorpe University is the thing if you like playing with electronics but can only get a C at GCSE Design Studies because your picture of a new McDonalds logo reflected how boring you found it! Another sausage machine crewed by staff too frightened not to give the scripted answer. If you know bright youngsters encourage them to learn proper mechanicing. Yesterday I drove two hours plugged in an ABS having blown on the plug and drove back. If that had been a service job on a fleet you could have charged over £750 because the local idiots wanted to change a £1200 ECU. I would never set up a business as fleets don't pay their bills, but wages reflect what they can charge and the talent pool is getting smaller. Andy Well I’m sorry but I don’t share your cynical view of modern mechanics. I would certainly trust the two lads at my local dealer to do any work (other than painting) on our bikes. As well as being taught at college and the Honda training centre they have learned well from the senior mechanic. I think it is time some people gave youngsters a bit of credit and stop thinking that somehow their generation were the last people that could work on bikes or cars. Link to post
Andy m 23,241 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 What actual problems have they fixed for you? Changing oil is a start, but I see jobs that are genuinely difficult and the ones made difficult by a lack of the right people. Maybe it was always like this? Did people have seized engines when a simple decoke went wrong? The first generation of ABS systems suffered from the "I don't do electrics" generation. Second generation ABS was basically electrical so a lot less hassle. EBS with hierachical systems is combining the "I don't do computers" generation with the "I only do computers with apps set up for me" generation. Andy 1 Link to post
Mikdent 4,070 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Rocker, I have no doubt that you're absolutely right about the spanner monkeys at KM's, whether vastly experienced or trainees.(assuming that you are referring to them?). And I'm sure that there are many switched on, hands on young techies up and down the country, but Andy is generalising about a certain situation, not condemning every youngster that works as a mechanic. Its a similar situation in the building game too. Ive had youngsters who haven't the foggiest idea how to lay bricks, they never improve but they have been 'awarded' NVQ's in brickwork, its farsical. In the meantime, I who have C&G (2 credits and 1 distinction ) and am now being told that it is obsolete and that I have to take an NVQ course at my own expense of £1025!!!!!!. And I'm teaching these youngsters. Madness, absolute madness. (Good album that is) Sorry, ranted a bit off topic there. 4 2 Link to post
Tex 36,816 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Your C&G is outdated?! Along with your years of practical experience?! What a hoot! I can see my C&G in automotive being obsolete (do I look bovvered?) because of the quantum leap in vehicle design, but, seriously, how much has brick laying altered due to technology? What a crock of shit. 1 1 Link to post
Andy m 23,241 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Tex said: What a crock of shit. The Microsoft plan "I'm sorry Madam, I know you've been sucking eggs for the past 75 years, but the that was to TGSE1951 and now TOLTSE2016 is here you'll need to upgrade. £57000 please" Andy 1 1 Link to post
Mikdent 4,070 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Tex said: Your C&G is outdated?! Along with your years of practical experience?! What a hoot! I can see my C&G in automotive being obsolete (do I look bovvered?) because of the quantum leap in vehicle design, but, seriously, how much has brick laying altered due to technology? What a crock of shit. The biggest change in the last 30 years has been safety and health, in essence a good thing (but always ignored when it hampers the house builders schedules). It didn't take long for the gap to be filled with vultures who make a killing living off the backs of real working people with real jobs, not a made up one. There are courses for all sorts of useless shit that any sane person would know anyway. It won't be long before you need some kind of ticket just to tie your f****** boot laces. Link to post
embee 7,288 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Some rules and regs are just to enable bureaucrats to justify their own existence. Just one example. I remember reading stuff when the new harmonised colours came in for domestic wiring. If the installation had a mixture of old red/black and new brown/blue wiring there should be a label at the consumer unit to warn of this. Now call me stupid (form a queue) but if someone messing about with electrics doesn't know what the colours mean when they find them, a label at the CU will be a fat lot of use. Anyone who knows what they're doing will know about the colours anyway. So what use is that label in the CU? It would be better if it said "If you're a dipwit, don't f*** about in here". 1 2 Link to post
Rocker66 34,077 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, embee said: Some rules and regs are just to enable bureaucrats to justify their own existence. Just one example. I remember reading stuff when the new harmonised colours came in for domestic wiring. If the installation had a mixture of old red/black and new brown/blue wiring there should be a label at the consumer unit to warn of this. Now call me stupid (form a queue) but if someone messing about with electrics doesn't know what the colours mean when they find them, a label at the CU will be a fat lot of use. Anyone who knows what they're doing will know about the colours anyway. So what use is that label in the CU? It would be better if it said "If you're a dipwit, don't f*** about in here". Could it be because ordinary consumers had been doing simple jobs like putting plugs on for years and had got used to the old colours and therefore a reminder of the change would be a good idea. You hardly needed to be an electrical genius to do simple jobs like that. Link to post
Tonto 82 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Dont worry lads I have taken steps to correct the problem I bought a pair of latex gloves , dislocated me thumb so added to my arthritis it should never happen again . But I am now worried that my 71 years of qualified by experience is no longer acceptable for being a pensioner. I have enrolled in the open university on a course about "life and living it" by someone called Darwin. 1 Link to post
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