Stolen recovered X-ADV not responding to key or code input?

[Taipan 110]

Hi All

 

Just collected my stolen X-ADV from the Met Police pound. It doesn't respond to the transponder key and I've tried using the blue coupler to input the code manually, but it doesn't respond to that either? Anyone got any ideas on what they could have done to stop it responding to the key and code input? 

 

Anyone else had this problem? Ifi  can't suss it, can an auto locksmith preprogramme it all?

 

Thanks

[Andy m 23,545]

Do you get the yellow light blinking on the dash?

 

Wonder if the thieving scum have damaged wiring, maybe the receiver antenna?

 

Andy

[Taipan 110]

Its dead and doesn't respond to the key fob at all. If I plug the blue coupler in, the ignition lights up and the yellow key button appears, but it doesn't accept the code?

[Slowboy 20,506]

Looks like you might need a Honda dealer, but I’d agree with @Andy m, it does sound like the HISS antenna or it’s wiring has been damaged.

[Tel 4,712]

Dobles [Honda] told me a few years ago that the X-ADV was the most stolen bike they knew of, one poor bloke had his stolen 3 times; as this was a few years ago I wonder how long he kept it.

Does this reputation impact on insurance cover and costs?

[Xactly 5,427]

It is my understanding that an individual insurer will look at their own claims history, which is why bike x premia can vary so much. Seems sensible to me that if insurer A has had x bikes of a certain type resulting in claims that they will put the premium up and, worse case, refuse to insure. Insurer B might have had few or no claims, so their premia are cheaper - this of course assuming same rider, location etc. No insurer is going to keep paying out more than they collect in premia for a particular vehicle. I know I wouldn’t…

[Andy m 23,545]

5 hours ago, Taipan said:

Its dead and doesn't respond to the key fob at all. If I plug the blue coupler in, the ignition lights up and the yellow key button appears, but it doesn't accept the code?

 

I think we're at the limit of our knowledge here.

 

No light makes me suspect the antenna. A physical check of the loom is probably as far as we can get. Maybe try an OBD reader too, see if there are obvious messages.

 

After that a dealer would probably be the best route. They have to be able to fix it and have to have the required software and access. Anyone else without specialist knowledge is going to create a huge bill guessing. I just don't know how the system reacts to damage. Maybe it's accepting the code then immediately locking up again because of something broken or unplugged. Maybe the thieves tried to be more subtle and tried a more software based attack. 

 

Be ready for a big bill though. If the scrotes bricked part of the ECU it'll need a new one. At that point maybe get a quote from an independent using second hand parts. 

 

Andy

Edited January 26, 2023 by Andy m

[Perthshire 650]

7 hours ago, Taipan said:

blue coupler

Blue coupler or do you mean the EM mode connector?   The blue coupler is the dummy connector.

[davebike 943]

btdtgts

in Lodon there are several gangs nicking NC's that cut a hile in the ECU cae and reprogram the HISS cades  It can be sorted by a spicilist electronic repair

You have to get new keys and they use the same methord the theves do to program the ECU  it not cheap but I think you will find dealers just offer to replace the ECU and all locs

[Andy m 23,545]

The method makes sense. 

 

Are they making the hole and riding the bikes away, or lifting the bikes then making them rideable? Just thinking of armouring the ECU if it's ride away. Tool steel or layers of something that will foul a drill maybe?

 

Andy

[Taipan 110]

If your key is missing or its battery flat you can input your code manually as seen in the video below. On mine it starts flashing after a 8 letter input when my code is 9 letter one. So it looks like they've reprogrammed it. I've found a company http://motorbikelocksmith.co.uk/ who sent this reply to my query about sorting it out.

 

"if it was stolen then someone has reprogrammed the scu or removed the scu unit.

If they have just reprogrammed it then we can sort it out for you.

 

If they have stole the unit completely then you would need whole new lock set".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scrUTdApUhg

[Slowboy 20,506]

Thanks for the update, that might help someone in the future.

[Taipan 110]

9 hours ago, Andy m said:

The method makes sense. 

 

Are they making the hole and riding the bikes away, or lifting the bikes then making them rideable? Just thinking of armouring the ECU if it's ride away. Tool steel or layers of something that will foul a drill maybe?

 

Andy

In my case they stole it and took it away. To do this they knocked out 3 security lights. Removed the bolts to the locks on my gates. Carried the bike to the bottom of my garden and used a angle grinder to remove the 2 locks on it. Then bumped our two cars out of the way and got it down the driveway and pushed it away.. They waited 

[Andy m 23,545]

@#$% me 😠

 

Stolen to order then by the sound of it. This is the sort of stuff you'd expect for high end cars.

 

There's just nothing you can do. Install a bank vault and someone will blow it up or invent a way to pick the lock. The only solution is an effective justice system to make it financially better to buy one. ☹

 

You can fit hardened plates and bolts to the gates and get a tie down point, but it'll only slow them down ☹

 

Andy

[Taipan 110]

The scroates used to nick small scooters but they were too small and they got caught too easily, especially once Plod started doing tactical contacts. So they moved up to the bigger scoots, which also  enable them to push the bigger stolen bikes away a lot easier.

 

I'm told the X-ADV is one of the most nicked bikes and the Tmax is pretty desirable to them for the same reasons. If you go on that auction site and type in Yamaha immobiliser emulator, you'll see you can buy one for about £25 and just plug that in and away you go! Once you start searching how to nick a bike you'll see how much readily available information is out there and just how easy it is to hot wire a bike!!

[Xactly 5,427]

Thanks for the tip; I always fancied a Tmax….

[Taipan 110]

19 minutes ago, Xactly said:

Thanks for the tip; I always fancied a Tmax….

As the Police said to me, this stuff shouldn't be kept secret. We need to raise awareness on just how easy bikes and cars are to steal, then people might increase their physical security! That's why they (Police) release cctv of relay theft of cars and scroats attacking motorbikes and bicycles with angle grinders.

[Xactly 5,427]

Fair enough. Does anyone know of a database accessible by the general public that analyses bike thefts by make, model, age and location so that people can assess this before choosing a bike?

[Slowboy 20,506]

1 hour ago, Xactly said:

Fair enough. Does anyone know of a database accessible by the general public that analyses bike thefts by make, model, age and location so that people can assess this before choosing a bike?

There is a database, it’s the one the insurance companies use, but my initial thought is the manufacturers will lobby like hell to keep that within the industry. Making it public might actually drive the right behaviour re built in security and tracking, but then the serious scrotes will soon have access to solutions, because this is a big business which, annoyingly, we are subsidising through our insurance.

 

Alarm mines scare the bejesus out of the scrotes and alert the neighbours, but depending where you live, you could be descended on by a rapid response team which might not end well. Both the alarms and “pyrotechnics” are available from Amazon.

 

Also the paint ball “mines” that are non injuring that use compressed air or are CO2 driven filled with indelible orange security dye can also be effective in identifying scrotes later😂😂

 

Apparently. 😎 

 

The above is not advice just speculation. 🤐😜

Edited January 28, 2023 by Freeroader

[Xactly 5,427]

Yes, I was aware of the insurance database. I just thought that some means of naming and shaming might nudge manufacturers towards doing something to make theft harder.

[Taipan 110]

27 minutes ago, Freeroader said:

There is a database, it’s the one the insurance companies use, but my initial thought is the manufacturers will lobby like hell to keep that within the industry. Making it public might actually drive the right behaviour re built in security and tracking, but then the serious scrotes will soon have access to solutions, because this is a big business which, annoyingly, we are subsidising through our insurance.

 

Alarm mines scare the bejesus out of the scrotes and alert the neighbours, but depending where you live, you could be descended on by a rapid response team which might not end well. Both the alarms and “pyrotechnics” are available from Amazon.

 

Also the paint ball “mines” that are non injuring that use compressed air or are CO2 driven filled with indelible orange security dye can also be effective in identifying scrotes later😂😂

 

Apparently. 😎 

 

The above is not advice just speculation. 🤐😜

I was told about using home made capsicum spray. A few of the hottest chillies you can buy blended with water and used in a supersoaker out of the window at them when they set an alarm off. Apparently you dont even have to get them in the face, the atomised stuff from the juice will get them.

[Slowboy 20,506]

18 minutes ago, Taipan said:

I was told about using home made capsicum spray. A few of the hottest chillies you can buy blended with water and used in a supersoaker out of the window at them when they set an alarm off. Apparently you dont even have to get them in the face, the atomised stuff from the juice will get them.

There are very serious legal consequences to causing actual harm to a perpetrator especially if premeditation can be determined. I would suggest a look at the case of Tony Martin who was incarcerated after he shot two criminals who broke into his property when he claimed self defence. My understanding is that he was deemed partly to have set a trap, but also that having loosed of the first shots, as he claimed in self defence fearing for his life, he then reloaded and shot again while they were running away. I believe this was considered to have stepped outside the self defence, defence.

 

I’m not legal, so this is not in any shape or form advice,  just a discussion from memory.
 

Obviously no one could condone anything that could lead to an unrelated activity of a boat heading out to sea and “bait for the crabs” being sent overboard. Especially at night when the crabs are feeding, oh no.