Allyearbiker - XCP Review

[Swissheavy 186]

I decided to have some rust proofing treatment done on my bike. While I am not riding through all weathers, it seems to be a sensible thing to do for not too much expense. I've read good things about allyearbiker so decided to go that route - opting for my nearest specialist in Leicester some 40 miles away.

 

Having witnessed the full treatment, it is impressive the amount of cleaning and preparation that is done. Easily over an hour, for what results in only a few minutes of spraying the actual treatment on!! I went for the XCP option, as Andy the specialist informed me of the durability of XCP over ACP50 and how it will last longer if properly cared for. This appealed to me. Let's see how it goes, but the end result is very impressive. I shall keep informed if I notice anything but I do think this is well worth spending money on. 

 

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Edited December 5, 2016 by Swissheavy

[baben 11,778]

Got mine booked in for 18th December - best part, the chap comes to me! Have been using this treatment for a few years now and its well worth the money in my opinion.

[davelondon 48]

30 minutes ago, Swissheavy said:

 went for the XCP option, as Andy the specialist informed me of the durability of XCP over ACP50 and how it will last longer if properly cared for. This appealed to me. Let's see how it goes, but the end result is very impressive. I shall keep informed if I notice anything but I do think this is well worth spending money on. 

 

 

Whats XCP or ACP50, not heard of these before?

 

[Rev Ken 6,343]

I was a very early customer when it was a 'one-man-band', and am an enthusiast. Unfortunately I haven't found a nearby 'meeting place' but must do a search.

 

Davelondon, ACF50 is a treatment used commercially on aircraft to stop corrosion. Applied sparingly it 'creeps' into cracks and helps to keep your pride and joy looking pristine. It lasts for a long time, even surviving normal washing, but it only takes a wipe over if it 'wears off on exposed bodywork. It is great on everything, EXCEPT on brake discs and pads! The other stuff is new to me.

[Swissheavy 186]

According to Andy, the specialist, ACF50 will only last two or three washes if you use detergent. You only need to use warm water and a sponge to clean the bike in all but the most extreme circumstances. You can reapply ACF50 or XCP if deemed required. 

 

Learn more about ACF50 and XCP here: http://allyearbiker.co.uk/treatment/

[Tonyj 6,907]

I've had the treatments and I would agree that they can't hurt, but for me I couldn't leave it after about three weeks it was about a inch thick black A13 /A2 crust dirt so ended up having to wash them down . Got filthy every time I went near the bike 

this means I now give them a weekly clean and treatment . I was recommended to hose it down after the ride . Bit more of an issue when it's freezing and 7oclock at night . Found they couldn't /wouldn't treat areas like the fixings near the brake or wheels  because of creep . Ended up doing it myself so now do the same to all the bike .

must admit though the bike does come up well . Would recommend the treatments though 

[bikerbampi 542]

Would love to get this done to my bike but just does not seem to be available near to me.

[Mike5100 2,061]

1 hour ago, Tonyj said:

I've had the treatments and I would agree that they can't hurt, but for me I couldn't leave it after about three weeks it was about a inch thick black A13 /A2 crust dirt so ended up having to wash them down . Got filthy every time I went near the bike 

this means I now give them a weekly clean and treatment . I was recommended to hose it down after the ride . Bit more of an issue when it's freezing and 7oclock at night . Found they couldn't /wouldn't treat areas like the fixings near the brake or wheels  because of creep . Ended up doing it myself so now do the same to all the bike .

must admit though the bike does come up well . Would recommend the treatments though 

My experience exactly Tony.  I am a great supporter of Roy and met him when he was first developing his business and used to get all my bikes done straight out of the showroom.  However it seemed to me silly that the main at-risk parts were covered up with cloths when they applied the misting ACF50.  I can understand the they could lay themselves open to being sued if a rider crashed because his brakes failed but in my experience small amounts of acf50 on the brake disk are not a problem.  It burns off very quickly and as long as you are aware of possilbe initial reduced braking it can be back to normal within a few hundred yards.  I don't however spray the components near the wheels, but use a paintbrush to dab it on to banjos and adjuster bolts - I also use a acf50-damp cloth to run my finger round the inside ff all the apertures in the disk and over the ABS plate.

Mike

[ScaredyCat 1,659]

On 05/12/2016 at 19:12, Swissheavy said:

According to Andy, the specialist, ACF50 will only last two or three washes if you use detergent. You only need to use warm water and a sponge to clean the bike in all but the most extreme circumstances. You can reapply ACF50 or XCP if deemed required. 

 

Learn more about ACF50 and XCP here: http://allyearbiker.co.uk/treatment/

 

 

Why are you washing your bike after it's treated? 

 

Mine was ACF50'd a little while ago, now it's filthy and it will remain so until March when I get the same guy to ACF50 it again, after giving it a wash. 

[Tex 36,817]

Andy, that reminds me of a chap I knew who used to commute on a couple of Suzukis (first a 550, then one of the faired 750's). Every October he would cover the whole 'works' with thick grease. And then just ride it until spring. A morning spent with some Jizer and a hose pipe and they gleamed like new. Never a single spot of corrosion anywhere. 

[Mike5100 2,061]

On 12/5/2016 at 19:12, Swissheavy said:

According to Andy, the specialist, ACF50 will only last two or three washes if you use detergent. You only need to use warm water and a sponge to clean the bike in all but the most extreme circumstances. .....

I think it depends what conditions you have been out in.  If it's very wet, then I think the sponge and plain water works sort of.  But if it is like it is at the moment with a slick of almost greasy salty solution licking up off the road, you end up with a caked on film that cannot be removed just by rinsing in plain water.  In fact even if you power wash it with car shampoo or even snow foam it, when it dries it's still there - unless you scrub it off with a brush (or a sponge).  

Mike

[suffolk58 2,286]

I have a friend who is a Police motorcyclist. He is very proud of his bike's cleanliness (like most Police riders) and hoses it down after every shift. The bikes look immaculate, but when they go into the workshop, and the fairing panels are removed, there is a hidden nightmare of corrosion under there. Apparently the Yamaha FJR1300s are much worse than the BMWs. That's also why he rides an unfaired bike of his own.

[davelondon 48]

I have to say £70 is too top heavy, I see it used to be £60, then £65 etc.. The materials used for the treatment have not gone up same % so I think they are pushing customer loyalty at this price point. Will look into how much a cheap compressor is or just do by hand.

 

 

[MikeBike 5,006]

I had it done last year and the chap who did the work was busy for hours cleaning and only the last stage was the application.

I decided not to do it this year but have given the bike a 'gentle' pressure wash after most rides as it ends up covered in salt using a separate Kärcher nozzle that makes a broader band of water rather than the spinning jet.

I was thinking about it today whilst riding along.  Which would be more economical - 5 years of non-treatment and a simple light pressure wash down after a ride would save you £350 to spend on replacement parts and the bike would always be clean looking. I recon I clean off most places that the salty spry gets.. Just wondering...

[Mike5100 2,061]

I too was wondering abut replacing components.  Presumably the brake pipe banjos etc could be replaced with stainless but it would have to be an aftermarket kit.  The little screws that hold switchgear and indicators together could be done likewise.  Rear axle nuts don't want to be stainless but can't cost that much to keep replacing as they corrode.  There are some hex headed bolts and some allen bolts in the callipers that could be switched for stainless.  The back of the rear peg hangers gets in a bad state, but could be removed reasonably easily and get powder coated.  I have already done that with my centrestand and it's holding up much better - I need to do the same with the sidestand.

Metalwork behind the headlight and under the seats are the ideal areas for spraying with Acf50 then leaving as it will never get washed off by roadspray.

Mike

[wpbrown 1,091]

I ride all year on a short commute except for when it gets frosty. I have a car but prefer the bike. I've had the ACF50 treatment the past 3 years. I'm happy to know that the bike is being protected and have not had any problems. (2008 Deauville). A wash with a mild detergent was all I was told to use. I prefer to do that and keep the bike clean rather than replace what gets rusty.

[Rev Ken 6,343]

1 hour ago, wpbrown said:

I ride all year on a short one my bike wiislmget the treatment!tommute except for when it gets frosty. I have a car but prefer the bike. I've had the ACF50 treatment the past 3 years. I'm happy to know that the bike is being protected and have not had any problems. (2008 Deauville). A wash with a mild detergent was all I was told to use. I prefer to do that and keep the bike clean rather than replace what gets rusty.

My thoughts exactly. I think I was one of Roy-

The lergy has struck again!. As one was saying this rider thinks he was one of Roy'sfirst customers. If there I

(B*gg*r, forgot again) might be a local place to get I

the treatment! Getting even more uncooperative. You note my talent I

for sabotaging computer software. (For the last 30 years!)

[Reckless 945]

I still have two bottles of "Scott oil 365" in the shed as yet untouched

 

[PoppetM 16,850]

Can we use jet wash? At the moments it gets a sponge with Zymol and a hose....but a I might be inclined to spray her down each night. Thought as had read somewhere not to...

that road grime is a nightmare at the moment. I have to clean the helmet after every ride because I can't see a damn thing through the grime. And my yellow hi vis is now black....

[roddy 845]

If the ACF50 treatment comes off after 3 or 4 washes is it not a waste of money getting it done? Just wondering?

[roddy 845]

The police officer in my opinion has got it right. Like him I wash mine with a light spray from the hose with a bit of bike specific cleaner after a mucky ride, which is most days at the moment, (Diluted Muck Off). Then larupt in a protective good quality DP60 spray I swear by this stuff £1.10 a can. 2 1/2 years later and 35,000 miles no rust anywhere and kept outside. 

[roddy 845]

Josh your bike looks in excellent condition all cleaned up.

[Swissheavy 186]

Jet wash is fine so long as no detergent is used

[Rev Ken 6,343]

10 hours ago, Swissheavy said:

Jet wash is fine so long as no detergent is used

So long as you don't blast seals on moving parts, eg wheel seals.

[Mike5100 2,061]

10 hours ago, Swissheavy said:

Jet wash is fine so long as no detergent is used

Roy told me that very cheap car shampoo was OK but the more expensive ones contained chemicals that would remove the acf50

Mike